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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Good day Jamesm and Phenix, this petition is a step in the right direction, hopefully more logical people can embrace it for a well abused Earth and biosystems caused by far too many humans. There are many negative forces that strive for the "status quo" in regards to energy and control of human consciousness via stupid religions and power lust individuals, the task is daunting and I do admit at this conjure, we could use some intervention from our ET friends. Maybe all we need to do is to ask and see what they say? Is the Peace Meditation occurring every weekend not just the 1st and 3rd of each month?

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC) This line is the first comment.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 06:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Great work, Kamerad James!
And so timely! - praise and honor to Creation, indeed; the Peace Meditation shall be particularly neutral-positively charged this evening.

Looking forward to the insights of the forum and to the eventual definitive draft.
My traditional Christmas and New Year Postcards and E-cards stand ready.
I shall keep the text i submitted to you, that is:

"Dear..

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

I hope...
 
Gentleman/Lady/Comrade,

Everything needs management, including ourselves and our number.
Nothing is endless and requires rational use, including earth's resources.
The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life' s items, pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before.
We, Humans, put too much stress on Earth.
Our number is way too great.

Be aware of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being and the harmony of this planet. And ultimately to our survival as a species.

Take action, make a difference, help us!

Add your voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our world wide birth control initiative.

Please, go to:


http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition

and sign our petition.

This petition will be sent to the world population awareness organization, other majors international organizations and to all responsible people of our world, who make decisions directly influencing our daily life.
Let's shape a responsible future now. We owe that to our children and the children of our children. We owe it to Mother-Earth.

Thank you."


Kamerad James, other Kameraden,
Your corrections(also regarding the language) and suggestions would be highly appreciated.

Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 01:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC) I've made a major modification. I have inserted the main portion of http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx above the Population Growth Charts, corrected the spelling so that it conforms to UK English and removed the previous section on '''Required Worldwide Measures''' (which was actually copied from http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/BirthRateCheck/tabid/104/Default.aspx ).

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 03:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC) I'm more satisfied with the petition now but I still need to read the entire thing! The length of it will put some people off but I think it is needed in order to present a full picture of the overpopulation problem.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 08:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings, James,
I hope you are doing just fine; thanks for your work.

The insertion  -  straight away, at the beginning of the petition  -  of the consequences of overpopulation, which people might feel and even experience in their daily life, and the strong underlining of the direct connection of the two, is a bright idea.

While working further on the 'backgroungs information' leading ultimately to the definitive version of the petition, i would suggest to leave the first draft of the petition open to discussion until December 24th, morning; and from there, to use that draft  -  with eventual corrections, additions, suggestions of the forum  - as a provisory, 'work draft'.

This would be in order to make optimal use of the opportunities of Christmas and New Year to start the awareness campaign,  through the traditional 'good wishes postcards, E-cards and letters'.

Looking forward to your assessment.

Salome,
Adam.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Yes good idea Phenix, let's leave it as it is now until the 24th to give people a chance to read it.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 13:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks again, James.

Well, "alea iacta est!", i would say.

Salome,
Phenix/Adam

[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 07:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC) Very disturbing numbers, seems like World Wars 1 and 2 had little effect in slowing down these numbers. Would be interesting to see which countries have the most impact on world population as it appears more developed nations tend to level off while poorer ones explode. If true, then maybe mandatory sterilizations should be geared toward those countries along with sterilizations of rapists, killers, pediphiles, drug addicts and other non-disciplined types of the more developed nations. Just wonder if some ET's can help us out by some technology to "zap" ones gonads, starting with the undesirables??? :)

The majority of Earth humans are just plain ignorant and currently not capable of adhering to these measures however logical it appears. They will continue to multiply like rabbits, so with a little "help" from our friends would certainly appear rational.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 08:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC) Good morning Hawaiian,

Thanks for your insight.

The global situation is indeed rather alarming, specially if one agrees that all is strongly connected:

Shortage of almost all first resources (drinking water, food, oil… other vital items) and the therefrom resulting poverty; inequality; hunger; spiritual stagnation; despair... and subsequently crime; massive immigration; economic migration and ecological refugees; 'hatred towards foreigners'; terrorism; wars... not to mention the destruction of the environment.

Earth needs to recover; the natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We are not allowing both. Alas.

Overpopulation is hence likely to become one of the most important and -  perhaps  - the most decisive questions and challenges in the coming times for the whole humanity, politicians and other decision makers in the first place.

So i thought that it would be wise and wishful to see this issue humanly and responsibly managed by 'progressive forces', in place of some 'right-wing' and similar parties and groups.

As for a possible solution, to answer to the second part of your contribution, the startingpoint and philosophy here are to equally address all countries and nations, that is that a worldwide rational birth control should be decided and equally implemented and enforced.

Help from our extraterrestrial friends.
Considering the gravity, the urgency and indeed the complexity of the situation  -  as you rightly pointed it out  - such a step would certainly be welcome.

I however do not think that they should "help us out by some technology to "zap" ones gonads, starting with the undesirables??? :-)" [:-)]

A spiritual and maybe logistical support shall be enough; we ourselves shall do the rest, responsibly and humanly.

There is actually a petition open, where the assistance of the Plejarens is asked, on the grounds of the earthly rules and laws of humanitarian intervention: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/9474.html?1229127606 ; my post 165(member Phenix). 

Your support would be highly appreciated.

Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)  Good morning, James, Hawaiian and all Kameraden,

We shall then proceed as we agreed.

A list of web addresses of organizations, ministries, organizations and other personalities - who could help our cause  -  is following.

I would suggest:

A/  to send Christmas and New Year postcards, as information about this petition, to organizations and ministries;

B/ to send Christmas and New Year postcards, with a call to join our awareness campaign by signing our petition, to individuals;

C/ to send each 100th or 200th signed petition to the abovementioned organizations  -  or any other number of signed petitions.

THE LIST:

- UN and UN General Secretary, currently Mister Ban Ki-Moon:  http://www.un.org/; http://www.un.org/sg/;

- World Population Organizations: http://www.wpf.org/nederlands ; http://worldpopulationbalance.org/; http://www.populationinstitute.org/

- World Population Awareness: http://www.overpopulation.org/; http://www.wpf.org/organisation) 


- Ministries of Family and Population of all African Countries: http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTAFRREGTOPGENDER/Resources/gov_contacts_3.pdf 

- Ministry of Family and welfare Bangladesh: http://www.google.com/search?q=Ministry+of+population%2C+health+and+family+bangladesh&rls=com.microsoft:nl:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA 

- Honduras: 
Ministry of Family and Population: http://www.paho.org/English/DD/AIS/cp_340.htm ; 
Department of Population Planning: http://www.popcouncil.org/slr/techassist.html 

- Websites of Population Council worldwide: http://www.popcouncil.org/slr/techassist.html 

- Online(Dutch) Address Encyclopedia of World' Population related Instances/Organizations: http://www.socialsecurity.fgov.be/nl/links/staten.htm 

- UNITED NATIONS POPULATION INFORMATION NETWORK(POPIN) - DEMOGRAPHIC, POPULATION AND FAMILY PLANNING WORLD WIDE WEB SITES: http://www.un.org/popin/other4.htm 

- Website of the Activist on Human Affairs, Leader of the Band U2, Mister Bono - with his Direct Contact Address: http://u2_inspire.tripod.com/ 

- Mister Nelson Mandela Foundation: http://www.nelsonmandela.org/index.php 

- Most Reverend Desmond Tutu: http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=1971 

- The Earth Charter Initiative - already endorsed by FIGU: courtesy of member Phi_spiral(Bob): http://www.earthcharter.org/ 

- Population Action International (PAI): http://www.populationaction.org/ 

- Population Coalition: http://www.populationpress.org/ 

- Population Connection: http://www.zpg.org/ 

- The Population Institute: http://www.populationinstitute.org/ 

- Growth Is Madness: http://growthmadness.org/2006/12/24/the-not-so-elusive-population-environment-link/ 

- Optimum Population Trust: http://www.optimumpopulation.org/ 

- ..etc...


Kameraden,
I would suggest also to begin sending the first draft of the petition  - the first, pretty short one  -  and to keep working ont the current petition(with background information), to which we would redirect interested people for eventual 'further readings'.


Here is also a site, where one has the possibility to send Christmas and New Year postcards in more than 8 languages.
We just need to add a short call to join our campaign:

http://www.byki.com/free-ecards/global/?fc_c=695427x2571136x221046800&campaign=122208eCards



Looking forward to your idea, suggestions and ...actions!


Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings to you, James, to Hawaiian and to all the others,

We shall then begin.

If you don't mind, i will address the 7 first organizations and instances from our list, plus mister Mandela and reverend Desmond Tutu.

Succcess and Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) INFORMATION:

Two of the models we use:

A/ To organizations in general:

"Sirs,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

May the upcoming days of celebration bring you love, health, inspiration, hope, success and joy!

I wish the year 2009 will see the realization of all your dearest dreams.
May peace and harmonious progress be on Earth!

Thanks, Sirs, for your work, care and commitment for Mankind.


Sirs,

Your help is needed.

As we all know, everything needs management, care and sound policy; including ourselves and our number.
Nothing is endless and everything requires rational use; including earth resources.
The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life' s items; pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before.
We, Humans, put too much stress on Earth and are greatly responsible for the current state of affairs, for all is indeed strongly connected:

Shortage of almost all first resources (drinking water, food, oil… other vital items) and the therefrom resulting poverty; inequality; hunger; spiritual stagnation; despair... and subsequently crime; massive immigration; economic migration and ecological refugees; 'hatred towards foreigners'; terrorism; wars... not to mention the destruction of the environment.

Earth needs to recover; natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We are not allowing both. Alas.
Overpopulation is hence likely to become one of the most important and - perhaps - the most decisive questions and challenges in the coming times for the whole humanity, politicians and other decision makers in the first place.

Sirs, please, be aware of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being and the harmony of this planet. And ultimately to our survival as a species.
 
Take action, make a difference, help us!
Add your voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our world wide birth control initiative.

Please, go to:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition

and sign our petition   -  it shall be launched shortly.
 
This petition will be sent to the World Population Awareness Organization, The Earth Charter Initiative( http://www.earthcharter.org/) , other major international organizations dealing with development and population and to all responsible citizens of our world, including yourselves and your noble organization, who make decisions directly influencing our daily life.


Let's shape a responsible future now.
We owe that to our children and to the children of our children.
We owe it to Mother-Earth.


Thank you.

Adam Izak-Sunna; Student.
The Netherlands."

B/ To individuals and organizations i maintain personal/study/professional contacts with:



"Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

May the upcoming days of celebration bring you love, health, inspiration, hope, success and joy!

I wish the year 2009 will see the realization of all your dearest dreams.


Friends, Comrades,

I do have a concern. 

We all know that all is connected.
Everything needs management; ourselves and our number are not and can not be an exception.
Nothing is endless and all requires rational use, care and maintenance, including earth's resources.
The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life's items, pollution and
the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before.
We, Humans, and the ways we go about life, put too much stress on Earth.

Earth needs to recover; natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We do not allow both.

Allow me please to share some personal experience and thoughts.

I do believe that the number of Human Beings currently on Earth indicates a state of 
overpopulation, specially in the specific context of the current mode of production - or 
should i rather say, 'exploitation' of this Planet and its resources - that is, 
this wild, aggressive Capitalism driven by greed alone.
Were the goods, other life sustaining commodities, the product we ourselves produce or gain directly 
from Earth, responsibly and honestly managed; if our aims in this existence were 
spiritually more elevated(instead of the sole accumulation of money and other 
material items), there would certainly be no question of overpopulation the way it is now;
for Mother-Earth is able to and is willing to take care of her Children  -  and does still do so.
But in the current structure, our number puts lots of stress of Earth and its resources,
for everyone wants still more and more and, as we all know, there are no limits to the 'accumulation fever' 
and greed has by definition no boundaries.
Besides, Humans are not the only inhabitants of this Planet.
There are other Life Forms having the same rights to be and to develop; Life Forms which are as 
necessary and dear to Earth as we, Humans, are: Flora, Fauna.

We are building factories and other human production facilities on lands, which should normally
be reserved to agriculture, to the flora and fauna; we are destroying forests, polluting water and air...
Flora and Fauna are being incessantly persecuted by us.
I read recently in a scientific paper(i do alas not recall the name) and i saw more recently
on 'Discovery Channel-Science', that honey bees are disappearing in horrifying huge numbers 
and sorts(and we all know the great role they play for the balance of our eco-system);
the ice is dramatically melting(due in part to human irresponsible activities, like the tests of atomic 
and nuclear bombs underground and in the atmosphere!!!)...
A couple of months ago, two ice-bears swam the whole way to the west coast(fjords) of Iceland, 
hungry and in despair, for there is no more ice they could live on.
People used guns to kill!

We bear a lot of guilt here.
Let's try to repair some of it; let's make amend for some of it. Before it is indeed too late.
 
Please be aware of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being
and to the harmony of this planet. And ultimately to our survival as a species. 

Take action, make a difference, help us  -  help Mankind!
Please do take the lead; advocate and promote a worldwide rational birth control.

Add your voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our Worldwide Birth Control Initiative.

Please go to:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition 

And sign our petition  -  it shall be launched shortly.

This petition will be forwarded to the World population Awareness organization, the Earth Charter Initiative,
( http://www.earthcharter.org/), other major international organizations dealing with development and population
and to all responsible citizens of this world, who make decisions directly affecting our daily life.

Let' s shape a responsible future now.
We owe that to our children and to the children of our children.
We owe that to Mother-Earth.


Thank you." 




Here we go, Gentlemen:


Thank you for your inquiry.‏
From: 	inquiries (inquiries@un.org)
Sent: 	Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:57:59 PM
To: 	Izak-Sunna Adam (aepsilonm@hotmail.com)

Greetings from the Public Inquiries Team.
 
Thank you for your message which has been received at United Nations
Headquarters in New York.  We invite you to visit our website where you
will
find information about the work of the Organization. The following address
will
take you to a webpage with answers to frequently asked questions,
factsheets
and other public information material:
 
http://www.un.org/geninfo/faq/
 
 


So far, so gut, thus.

Salome,
Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings!

Here is my report of the day:

I addressed the following organizations and instances:

1- wpf.org/nl; 2- World population Balance; 3- population Institute; 4- Population Action International; 5- People and planet.net; 6- population Council; 7- Frontiers in Reproductivity and health; 8-Canadian International Agency; 9- Ministry of Labor and Home Affairs of Botswana; 10- Ministry of Population, Social Protection and Entrainment of Madagascar; 11- Ministry of Gender and Community Services of Malawi; 12- Ministry of Women's Rights, Child, Development and Family Welfare of Mauritius; 13- Ministry of Gender and Family Promotion of Rwanda; 14- Ministry of Women Affairs and Child Welfare of Namibia; 15- Ministry of Women and Family Affairs(Office of President) of South Africa; 15- Ministry of Social Welfare, Gender and Children Affairs of Sierra Leone; 16- Ministry of Community Development, Gender and Children of Tanzania; 17- Ministry of Gender, Labor and Social Development of Uganda; 18- Ministry of Community Development and Social Welfare of Zambia.

I shall address Mister Mandela and reverend Desmond Tutu before going to bed.

Tomorrow i will take on all French speaking countries of the World  -  starting with African countries.

SUGGESTION:

James, i will translate the definitive petition into French, Dutch, German(if needed) and Russian.
I have a Kamerad, who could provide us with translations in Rumanian, Italian, Spanish and Portguese.
I shall find someone for the translation in Swahili and Japanese  -  and will ask our Comrade Zhila-Creational for the translation in Farsi.

Maybe you could then open links for a choice of languages.

REQUEST:

Could someone help us with the Chinese, Indian and Arabic translations?

It would be properly appreciated.

Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings to all,

INFORMATION:

The petition has been savely delivered to mister Nelson Mandela(nmf@nelsonmandela.org) and to reverend Desmond Tutu(tammy.buhler@hiv-research.org.za  and info@tutu.org).

We shall proceed today as planned.

REQUEST TO JAMES:

Could you please post our very first petition draft( the short one) back and allow people to already eventually begin signing that petition by removing the warning 'Onder Construction: do not sign yet' on the page of the to-be-signed-petition: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition ?   -  in the meanwhile we will  continue working on the definitive petition( here:http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop) and when we are through and satisfied, we would just post that definitive draft there, where it would be further submitted to signing.


Thanks and have a nice day.


Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix, I do not think that the original one is explanatory enough of the facts regarding overpopulation. Do you agree with that?

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Guten Morgen Kameraden,

Merry Jmmanuel' Birthday, indeed!

I hope you have all celebrated this event in a good state of mind, spirit and body.

James,

Thanks for your warm wishes; i am deeply touched. I shall shortly send you a word at your email address.

Now then.

THE PETITION.

To answer to your question, James, i say and willingly agree with you that the first draft was not perfect and needs some serious work  -  what you are now responsibly and generously doing.

What i meant, is to have right now a 'work draft' ready to be signed; for although it is very important to properly establish the direct connection between overpopulation and the current state of our societies and of the environment, i would assume that every person who, after receiving our 'Christmas and New Year Call', comes to this site is already fairly convinced of the necessity to take global, rational action against worldwide overpopulation.

We shall give to those people the possibility to sign the petition straight away  -  for the chance is also big some of them, despite their good will,  would not come back a second time, when our petition is ready; people are nowadays so busy!

We could inform them ( via a link or a warning note ) that the petition is currently being perfected  -  we could add a couple of lines provisory completing that petition ( a sort of  'foretaste' of what is coming up ).

I also think that a fairly short petition would be better, for people are in general alas not very patient and long texts discourage them rather quickly  -  a link could redirect people to 'Further Readings'.

It would also be good, if the link to the place where the petition can factually be signed is very clearly indicated on the website.


INFORMATION.

Here is a model of 'Christmas and New Year Call' in French   -  in case some members have to deal with organizations and/or individuals using exclusively the French language: 

"Mesdames et Messieurs,

Joyeux Noël; Bonne et heureuse Année!

Puissent ces jours de célébration vous apporter Amour, Santé, Inspiration, Espoir, Succès et beaucoup de Joie!

Je souhaite que l'année 2009 assure la réalisation des plus chers de vos rêves.

Que la Paix et un Progrès harmonieux soient sur terre!

Merci pour votre travail et votre engagement pour le bien-être des peuples du monde.

Vous avez inspiré et vous continuez à inspirer un bon nombre de nous!


Mesdames et Messieurs,
Nous avons besoin de votre aide.

Comme nous le savons, tout a besoin de soin et d'une bonne gestion; y compris nous-mêmes et notre nombre.

Rien n'est sans fin et tout exige une utilisation sage et raisonnable; y compris les ressources naturelles.

Les pénuries d'eau propre, de nourriture, de minerais, de matières premières et autres produits de premier ordre; la pollution et la destruction de l'environnement...tout cela est de nos jours plus évident que jamais avant.

Nous, les humains, abusons de la générosité de la terre et nous sommes considérablement responsables de l' actuel déplorable état de nos sociétés et de la planète toute entière, car enfin tout est fortement relié:
Pénurie de presque toutes les premières ressources (eau potable, nourriture, pétrole… d'autres articles essentiels) et pauvreté; de là en résultent inégalité, famine, stagnation spirituelle, désespoir… et plus tard crime, immigration massive, migration économique et réfugiés écologiques, conflits sociaux et ségrégation, racisme, terrorisme, guerres… sans compter la destruction totale de l'environnement.

La terre doit récupérer; les ressources naturelles ont également besoin de temps pour se renouveler.

Nous ne permettons plus ni l'un ni l'autre. Hélas.

Le surpeuplement peut par conséquent devenir l'une des questions cruciales, l' un des plus importants et - peut-être même - des plus décisifs défis pour l'humanité entière, les politiciens en premier lieu.

Nous vous prions de nous aider à favoriser plus de prise de conscience du surpeuplement et de la menace du surpeuplement pour notre bien-être propre, pour l' harmonie de cette planète, et donc en dernière instance pour notre survie en tant qu' espèces.

Pourriez-vous, s'il vous plait, ajouter votre voix respectée à notre campagne de sensibilisation sur le surpeuplement et soutenir notre initiative mondiale de contrôle des naissances?

La pétition est à:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition

Cette pétition sera envoyée aux Nations Unies, à l' Organisation pour la Conscience de la Population du Monde, à l' Initiative de la Charte de la Terre, à d' autres organismes internationaux importants traitant du développement et de la population et à tous les citoyens responsables, qui prennent des décisions influençant directement notre vie quotidienne.

Mesdames et Messieurs, veuillez, s'il vous plait préconiser, supporter et favoriser un contrôle rationnel des naissances à l'échelle mondiale.

Aidez-nous à bâtir un futur responsable maintenant.
Nous devons cela à nos enfants et aux enfants de nos enfants.

Nous le devons à la Mère-Terre.


Merci.

Adam Izak-Sunna.
Les Pays Bas."



Ladies, Gentlemen,

Good luck!


Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings to all!

I dedicated the first part of the day to national matters.

I have so far sent the 'Christmas and New Year Call' to the following instances and individuals:

- Newspapers: NRC Handelsblad(sort of 'Dutch Wall Street Journal'), Volkskrant; Tribune, Groene Amsterdammer, Groenlinks Magazine( of the Dutch Green Party), Vrij Nederland, Metro, Ode, Integrand, Metro( free newspaper, most read in The Netherlands);

- TV: NOS(the official, first Dutch TV station); the TV programs 'Zembla', 'netwerk'(dealing with social issues);

- Instances: the Dutch Ministry of People's Health; the Dutch Parlement and Politics Watchdog

- Individuals: Mister Ruud Lubbers(former Dutch Prime-Minister and UN Official, known for his engagement for global issues); mister Jan Pronk( former representative of the UN in Sudan and very active advocate of human rights, cooperation and harmonious development worldwide); Mister Freek de Jonge( entertainer, a symbol of social engagement in The netherlands) and Mister Herman van Veen( musician, human rights activist; some say he knows, has personally met and has been since inspired by Herr Meier.)


Have a nice day.

Salome,

Phenix/Adam

PS: James, i take your warning about the length of the post into close consideration  - i have aready removed a part of the response i received from the UN and my Dutch text. Thanks.


[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix the assumption that the majority of people will already arrive here with the knowledge that action against overpopulation is needed on Earth is a rather large one and therefore unjustified. There are no indications to support that assumption with the exceptions of course for all people already aware of the issue via the FIGU messageboard.

Secondly, it would of course be highly desirable to finalise the petition for the intended signatories first (everyone) before having it signed. Asking people to sign a draft of anything is rather like signing a cheque and then having the numbers changed afterwards, i.e. deceptive. There is an urgency to the preparation of the petition but we need to do it professionally if we want the desired response. We could of course pledge that the main topics of the proposal, i.e. to reduce the population of the Earth in a controlled and humane manner to 529,000,000, will not change from the draft to the final version however it will still look unprofessional, don't you agree?

Thirdly your suggestion about the petition being too long and it would discourage people from signing it is a valid point. I agree that we need to move most of the text to a separate page and then direct people to that new page via a hyperlink. I shall make this change.

Fourthyl, here is the only other petition of the same subject that I have managed to find on the Internet : http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/reduce-world-population.html . As you can see it's very short, it also 3 signatures.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Hi James,

Thanks for your reaction despite the obviously busy character of those Christmas days.

Thanks also for the link to that other overpopulation campaign petition; i have gladly added my signature to it  -  it feels good to know we are not alone on this issue.

I agree with you that not all people who get here are aware of overpopulation.
I only meant people who would decide to log on this site after receiving and reading our 'Christmas and New Year Call', where the mean aspects of this campaign are briefly explained. Such people should have the chance to sign the petition when they get here. That is one point.

The other point. Certainly not all people are aware of the extent of the perspective of Herr Meier.
That is just the point. It would be ideal if the whole program could be executed, but we are not there yet.

Prior to launching this petition, i made that point in one of my posts on our FIGU forum, namely that we shall proceed step by step: the first task, that is this very petition, is to bring awareness about overpopulation and to advocate a worldwide birth control.
As to how to get there, how to rationally manage Earth population, we would submit the exhaustive program of Herr Meier; that is what i called our 'Jocker', our ultimate argument.
Hopefully the world would choose the way indicated by Herr Meier.

Deception is not and should never be on the order. We need to clearly define the aim of this petition and clearly formulate it: overpopulation if real(our numbers); it has several human and environmental effects(our knowledge of human spiritual regression, wars..; our data about climatic catastrophes...); we must regulate births and the growth of Earth population to restaure balance of earth(our data); the solution is -  for a beginning, right now  -  a world wide fair, scientific and applicable birth control. Please support us.

Our solution  -  as a further, desirable step  - could be already found in 'further readings', where we would redirect everyone.

If you do not agree with this procedure, do let me know, so that i stop inviting people till we are ready.

Looking forward to hearing your suggestions.

Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix thanks for your explanation. It does all make sense and is with reason. I would prefer it if you stop inviting people until we are ready with a finalised petition. I don't think it will take long to finalise anyway. Probably another week maximum.

By the way when you respond, please do not copy and paste in the tilde symbol &#126 4 times because it does not get translated into your username and date time as expected. You need to find the tilde key on your keyboard and use that.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix I've just realised you've already sent emails to many organisations so I've removed the "Dont sign this petition sign". What do you think of the new cut down version everyone?

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Good morning James, kameraden,

Thanks, James; that is some balsam on my heart!  -  i had some hard time with that 'do not sign yet' sign :-)

Sorry for the technical problem, as i submit posts: i do not copy and paste; i mistakingly have been making space after each '@#126;'.

The current version of the petition is good enough for me, as a temporary one; we shall keep on working on it.

I personally feel some strong urgency with this issue, James. Now that that sign has been removed, i shall continue -  in a renieuwed state of Neutral-positivity:-)  - to invite people and organizations i do not have work, study or personal relations with: this Christmas and New Year period gives me indeed the opportunity to address those people and organizations in a natural way, according to an established tradition, that is without 'Missionieren'(the warning and advice of Herr Frehner); without preaching and 'inviting myself' in the life of those personally unknown people and organizations.

Besides the whole information is already available in the current draft; it just needs some redaction, some artistic and technical adjustment and organization  -  that is, a formulation meeting the requirement of completion and professional formulation you rightly underlined; and that is precisely what you are currently doing and doing good. We shall improve ourselves and the petition as we go.

Hoping you follow my line of reasoning,

Salome.

Phenix/Adam.

PS: REPORT:

In the meanwhile, the 'Christmas and New Year Call' has reached: the Ministries of Sociale Action, Women Emancipation and Children Protection of Angola, Burundi, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Mali, Guinea, Mauritania; mister Johan Cruijff, Ruud Gullit, Thierry Henry; the branch of International Solidarity of the Dutch Socialist Party; the Dutch Office of Social Security; the Departments of Human Sciences of the Universities of Leiden, my own University(Erasmus of Rotterdam), the Free University of Amsterdam; CNN and BBC.

Today i shall address the ministries and other instances in charge of development and population of France, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Quebec and the rest of the French Speaking African Countries.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 14:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix your name still does not appear at the beginning of your posts on this page. Do you see your name or do you see the HTML code for the tilde symbol 4 times?

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) My apologies, James,

I understood only now what the problem was  -  i am absolutely green in electronc stuff! I thought i have been following the given indications. I went back and corrected all my entries.

Well, i hope this time it would properly work out.

INFORMATION:

The 'Call' has been successfully delivered at the Ministries of Population, Women and Children Emancipation(Promotion) of Niger; France; Belgium(both French and Flamand/vlaanderen); Canada and Quebec.
The Population Index - on the Web; Princeton Education and the European Council.

Our 'Call' is also being currently discussed at: http://www.hemmelel.fr/blog/2007/04/06/pour-un-ministere-de-la-population/#comment-877  -  a French site treating of social issues.

I shall shortly take upon the Republics of the Former Soviet Union.

Salome.

phenix/Adam.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 16:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks Adam, your name and time stamp is now working I see.

Thank you very much for contacting all these organisations. Your effort is undying however I still question the wisdom of sending out a request for support when both the petition and the request itself has not been approved or improved to a satisfactory state by anyone other than you and I. I was also hoping that we were going to involve the people on the FIGU messageboard before sending out requests to sign the petition? Do we also want to avoid giving recipients of the request/email the wrong or incomplete impression of the petition? Not to mention the effort involved in having to contact them a second time if required. Surely there is wisdom in this.

I've added the following paragraph to the Background section as I thought it was needed in order to explain the effect overpopulation has on migration, war, bloodshed and murder which is as important as other effects:

''Overpopulation brings with it ethnic problems as well. Indeed, it actually induces them. It precipitates migration, war, bloodshed and murder. As a result of the world population's continuing growth, people are squeezed together ever closer, and the space for each person becomes ever smaller and more restricted. For this reason can situations not be avoided whereby inhabitants of various countries, tribes, religions, convictions, opinions, philosophies and outlooks increasingly crowd together only to infringe upon each other's personal space. Without fail, this type of close contact leads to friction, differences of opinion and arguments. These issues, in turn, automatically generate war, bloodshed, murder and migration. The migration issue alone leads to even more excessive, vicious, worldwide problems. For example, refugees do not simply leave their familiar homesteads merely to seek new ones within their own country. Instead, they flee to foreign lands and often to countries that are financially and economically more prosperous than their own homelands. So it transpires that thousands, tens of thousands, indeed hundreds of thousands, even millions of refugees abruptly flee their homelands and swarm into foreign, more prosperous nations. In turn, these nations become swamped with foreigners, causing almost insurmountable problems. Countries that accept these refugees are forced to expend billions of dollars that are paid for by the "host nation's" industrious inhabitants through hard-earned funds from horrendous taxes.''

Shall we set a target of 1 million signatures? If and when we get to 1 million should we present it to the UN, major charities and media channels e.g. TV channels, newspapers, magazines?

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 18:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Hello again, James,

As you can see, i can access the site again.

I saw and appreciated your latest addition. It is useful, for it treats of matters people experience in their daily life.

The way we proceed, our comrades and the Message Board.

I assume that everyone is well informed of this initiative and of what we have been doing. Individual commitment and choice are the rules. Each member who wishes and is willing to contribute, correct, criticize and/or add personal perspective, knows where to find us.
I believe many are closely watching the progress here; they would join in when that time comes  - i know for sure that members like, for instance J_rod, Pathfinder-Hunter, kingman, Zhila-Creational( who would eventually help translate the final draft in Farsi, upon my request), are personally committed to this effort.

Idem for the Message Board. They would certainly intervene, whenever we make serious mistakes.

Approvation.

I personally addressed Herr Frehner with this idea; he gave warning and advice. That is enough for me.

You are truly a perfectionist!
The current petition is just excellent, Mann! The information is complete and could eventually be deepened just by clicking on the links you have provided.

Addressing people and organizations now.

I am convinced it should be done now; it is Christmas and New Year times. And i thought that you have understood and agreed with my proposal to leave the draft open to the appreciation of our comrades till December 24th, morning, and from there on to start the campaign with what we have in term of draft, while working further on a final version.
And yes, i just can not imagine how i would go back to all those unknown people and organizations a second time, with that final version of the petition.

It is all good, the way it is.

One million signatures would be excellent.

INFORMATION.

UNESCO, UNICEF, the French Institute of Demographic Studies and the Republic of Ivoiry Coast have received our 'call'.


Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 11:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings, James, Kameraden,

INFORMATION

We have reached the Federal Ministry of Health and Family Welfare of India( resp-health@hub.nic.in ); then we followed this useful list:

Andaman & Nicobar Islands

Secretary health - Mr Rajendra Kumar IAS     rajendra@and.nic.in
Director, Health                             dhs@and.nic.in
Director, Family Welfare                     dhs@and.nic.in
State Immunization Officer                   simmno@and.nic.in

Himachal Pradesh

Principal Secretary , Health & FW                    healthsecy-hp@nic.in
Director Health & FW                        health-hp@nic.in

Himachal Pradesh 
State  Immunization Officer rch-hp@nic.in

Pondicherry

Secretary (Heath & FW)                                            secyhlt@pon.nic.in  
Director, Health       			    dms@pon.nic.in 
Director, Family Welfare 		    dms@pon.nic.in 
State Immunisation Officer 		    stateimm@pon.nic.in

Punjab

Principal Secretary/Secretary (Health&FW)pshfw@punjabmail.gov.in
Director, Health                         dhs@punjabmail.gov.in
Director, Family Welfare and            dfw@punjabmail.gov.in

Andhra Pradesh

Director Health    			dir_health@ap.gov.in 
Commissioner/ Director Family welfare   cfwhyd@ap.gov.in

Tripura

Mr. S K Roy: Commisioner/Secretary Health    skroy@trp.nic.in 
Director Health				     dirhealth@trp.nic.in 
Director, Family Welfare		     dirfamily@trp.nic.in
State Immunization Officer		  immunization@trp.nic.in

Delhi

Pr. Secy Health 			 pshealth@nic.in
Director Family Welfare			 dirdfw@nic.in 
Director Health Services		 dirdhs@nic.in

Madhya Pradesh

Principal Secretary/Secretary (Health & FW) upadhyay.mm@mp.nic.in
Director, Health 			yrsharma@mp.nic.in 
Director, Family Welfare  		yrsharma@mp.nic.in
State Immunization Officer 		bnchauhan@mp.nic.in

Karnataka

Pr. Secretary, H & FW 			 psecy.hfw.karbng@kar.nic.in 
Director, H& FW 			 dir.hfw.karbng@kar.nic.in 
State Immunisation Officer 		 sio.hfw.karbng@kar.nic.in

Tamil Nadu
 	
Secretary (Health & Family Welfare) 		 hfsec@tn.gov.in
Director of Medical and Rural Health Service 	 dmrhs@tn.nic.in
Director, Family Welfare 			 dfw@vsnl.net
Director of Public Health and Preventive Medicin dphpm@tn.nic.in

Haryana

Principal Secretary/Secretary (Health & FW) 	fchm@hry.nic.in 
Director general, Health  			dhs.dghs@hry.nic.in
All Civil Surgeon of haryana  			dhs.cs@hry.nic.in

Maharashtra

State Immunization Officer,Maharashtra State Health Official simo-mah@nic.in
Director, Family Welfare,Maharashtra State Health Official   dirfw-mah@nic.in
Director,Health,Maharashtra State Health Officials  	     dirh-mah@nic.in
Principal Secretary,Health and FW  			   secyhfw-mah@nic.in

Chattisgarh

Secretary Health 					secy-hlth.cg@nic.in 
Director Health  			        	dir-hlth.cg@nic.in 
State Immunization Officer				sio-hlth.cg@nic.in

Chandigarh
 	
Chandigarh UT Secretary Health , Sh. Krishna Mohan      hs@chd.nic.in

Gujarat

1.Principal Sec. Health-     sechfwd@gujarat.gov.in
2. Commissioner, Heralth-  cohealth@gujarat.gov.in
3. Sec. Family Welfare-     secfw@gujarat.gov.in

Kerala

dmohidsp@kerala.nic.in 	 DMO(Health), IDSP project.
prsechfw@kerala.nic.in 	 Principal Secretary, Health & Family Welfare.
dfwtvm@kerala.nic.in 	 Director, Family Welfare
simoker@kerala.nic.in 	 State Immunization Project, Kerala
dhstvm@kerala.nic.in 	 Director of Health Services

Orissa

orhealth@ori.nic.in   		Secretary, Health & Family Welfare
dfw_or@ori.nic.in         	Director, Health & Family Welfare 

Manipur

secy-health@man.nic.in  	Commissioner(Medical Health and Family Welfare)
immunization@man.nic.in   	State Immunization Officer 
lpgonmei@man.nic.in   	Shri LP Gonmei, Comm(Health & Family Welfare)

Nagaland

Commissioner & Secretary ( Medical ) - Shri. Rajiv Bansal (IAS)  nglmedsec@nic.in 
Director, Health  		dirhealth-ngl@mail.nagaland.nic.in



This afternoon we shall concentrate on Pakistan, the Scandinavian Countries and Luxembourg.


Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 18:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC) INFORMATION

Our Call has reached all provinces of West Bengal; Pakistan; Bangladesh; the American Public Health Association; the Tehran University of Medical Sciences(public relations); The United Nations' Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific(UNESCAP); and through the Gender and Social Development Community of Practice and the Asian Development Bank we were able to cover Germany, Japan, Cambodia, then Bangladesh and Pakistan again, Indonesia, Mongolia, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Uzbekistan, Vietnam and North America.

We also opened a 'Blog' at "Sustainable Population", where our ideas are widely shared and our Call published: http://sustainablepopulation.blogspot.com/

The Scandinavian Countries and luxembourg will be addressed tomorrow.


Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 17:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings James, all Kameraden,

The day has been particularly good  -  Heed to Creation, indeed!

REPORT:

We have addressed: Madam Michelle Obama(following her Christmas and New Year online best wishes to all supporters of the Obama Agenda for Change);the New York Times;Swiss info; ScienceDirect; the UN Economic Commission for Europe(Generation and Gender Program and Population Activities Unit); the departments of Population and Family Welfare of the Scandinavian countries, of Algeria and Finland; the Federal Statistical Office( Espace de l’Europe 10, 2010 Neuchâtel, Switzerland); the German Foundation for World Population(DSW); the Swedish Demography Unit(Department of Sociology, Stockholm University, Sweden); the distinguished professor Anne West of the British Families and Children Research Group; the Russian online Social Forum(Russia: http://demoscope.ru/weekly/gb/gbshow.php); the Ministry of Women and Children Affairs of Senegal; the Norwegian Government Department of Population and Social Service(Government Administration Services, Einar Gerhardsens plass 3, Postbox 8129 Dep, 0032 OSLO, Norway).

Hence only Luxembourg is missing from our plan  -  that site was not accessible at POPIN.

Tomorrow we shall continue following the useful list nicely provided by POPIN: http://www.un.org/popin/other4.htm


Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 16:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Happy New Year James, Family and all Kameraden!

REPORT:

On this very last day of 2008, we managed to deliver our Call to the Earth Policy Institute( epi@earth-policy.org); the Australian Bureau of Statistics(courtesy of POPIN); to 'Zeitgeist' ( admin@thezeitgeistmovement.com ); to Herr  Prof. Dr. Hans Hass und Mannschaft (www.hans-hass.de/; webmaster@hans-hass.de ); to heer Gert Mak, prominent Dutch historian and Human Rights advocate (www.geertmak.nl/english/102.html); to the representatives of the Dutch branch of initiatives of Change, following the unformal(personal) endorsement of this Foundation (IofC:www.caux.ch/) and to mister Gore and 'The We movement' (www.wecansolveit.org/content/contact).


Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 13:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Greetings James, all Kameraden,

I hope this first day of the year 2009 started neutral-positively for you.

We took advantage of this day to reach mister Bono Box, leader of the musical Band U2 and committed human rights activist( http://htmlgear.tripod.com/guest/control.guest?u=u2_inspire&i=2&a=view) and mister Bob Geldof (europe@bobgeldof.info ).

We have also informed and invited our Kameraden of the German Forum to our petition(http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/5/4870.html?1230048741 ), with the following text:

"Beste Empfehlung geehrter Moderator, Herren, Kameraden,
 
Ich hoffe, daß das Jahr 2009 ganz neutral-positiv bei Ihnen begonnen hat.

Auskunft:
Unsere Petition auf Überbevölkerungsbewusstsein ist jetzt klar.
Sie kann unterzeichnet werden hier:
 
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition
 
Und hier könnte man die Einzelpersonen, Organisationen, Ministerien und Länder, zu denen, wir unsere Petition schickten (in Form von Weinnachts- und Jahreswendepostkarten), sehen:
 
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Talk:Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop
 
 
 
Alea iacta est!
 
 
Salome,

Adam."


Thank you, James!

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 19:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Thats splendid Adam. I've added a request for everyone to sign our petition on the [[Main Page|front page]]. I've also posted a request on the FIGU forum for everyone to sign the petition.

Peace

James


[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 09:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Beste Empfehlung James, all Kameraden,

Excellent work, Maestro!
From this point of view(FIGU inner information), we can safely say that we have done all we could  - specially if we further manage to give some rigorous follow-up to the idea of Herr J_rod7, regarding a more active involvement of all FIGU groups.

I asked Kamerad Pathfinder-Hunter( a volunteer by this initiative and a Canadian national) to inform FIGU Study Group Canada(info@ca.figu.org)of our petition.
I shall reach the French and Russian Groups -  and report here, when done. Hopefully Pathfinder-Hunter would do the same.

Another point.
The major article of Herr Frehner is now officially available in English:
http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/PopulationGrowthWithoutLimit/tabid/148/Default.aspx

I approached this matter at the forum with these words:
"This major article of Herr Frehner stands indeed at the core of the whole initiative.
Some parts of the visions and ideas developed by Herr Frehner in that article, are already underlined in the current petition, but the whole article provides us with a solid and exhaustive theoretical basis.
We shall then see with James, what are the best ways to further proceed - to refer to this article as 'further reading'? To select and add other parts of the article to our petition? To keep the article by the hand, in 'standby', as a source of arguments in future discussions, a kind of 'Jocker', the ultimate argument?...

Your suggestions are welcome."

What do you think, James? 


Update.

Following our Christmas and New Year Call for support, we received yesterday a E-card from the Nelson Mandela Foundation, saying:
"Thank you for your thoughts and wishes" - i am not a wonder in electronic things, but i shall try to have the whole E-card on 'Futureofmankind'.

And as already mentioned, we got a massive personal endorsement from 'Initiatives of Change'( IofC:http://www.caux.ch/ ) and the words there were, "Thanks for your thoughtful message. Best of luck in the good work you are doing."

That is all for now  -  and as expected, i could not get the postcard from The Nelson Mandela Foundation here:-(


Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Vigusa|Vigusa]] I have a few questions ... What is going to happen to the other 7 billion people that already exist?... and from where on this earth you came up with such a number that only 500 million would do the trick?  

So for what I see the "third world countries" are the ones responsible for the hunger and plagues of the world? ... really? ... You are all sounding like racists... What do you know about the reality of those people?... Have you ever starved to death?, has your country been intervene by the big powers and depleated your resources? ... What are you guys talking about?  

Billy!... I can't believe you said all the things you are saying in that petition?... I thought you were a man of peace and truth :((( ... I just can't believe what I read OMG... Did you even take the time to read the prophesies of Jeremia?.... how can you blame this all in people that have been massacred, robbed, manipulated by your countries, whose resources have been depleated from them and your "developed" countries have bankrupted and prevented the technology to be implemented in those countries?

We should start with USA where the gratest rate of pedophiles, drug addicts, mass murderers etc, Germany, UK, Switzerland who willingly keeps the money of the usurers and finances the tyrans, Israel who are mass murderers, etc! .... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???

You know what is sadder??? you all sound like the Elites that want to enslave us... What is this another Nazi nation?... Another China with birdth control?... why don;'t you better create systems that really are equal for everybody and we all have the chance to succeed?... YES MONEY AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REAL EVIL ,,, NOT OVERPOPULATION

So who is going to control it all??? you Billy? or you James???  LOL omg 

I just can't believe this omg... Billy, You had all my respect but I never imagined you were just another nazi manipulating the truth like this... OMG may God forgive you!
I will tell everybody who you guys really are... Who told you to do this Billy??? the voice in your head??? omg

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Vigusa, welcome my friend. I see you have gotten the wrong end of the proverbial stick, if you know what I mean. I really want to help you understand but I feel you do not yet understand what is written and thus have misinterpreted the meaning of several paragraphs. I advise that you read the whole of [[Overpopulation Crusade]] and [[Overpopulation Bomb]] before you come back here and continue your ''emotionally charged outburst''. Please read them. Your mind will hopefully then be put at ease when you realise that you are in error with what you have just stated.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 14:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Hello again James and all Kameraden,

As you can see, there is an interesting contribution to the discussion.

We shall answer to the points, 'a few questions', which are brought forward in this message, to the best of our abilities.

We certainly wish the author of this message first read our stance on overpopulation and the recommended methods and philosophy to go about and tackle it, for the discussion would greatly benefit from an exchange of views on the real substance of the matter. Apparently this author did not wish to do so. Alas.

Now then.

There are two central concepts in this petition and in other works of mister Meier related to overpopulation: 
Awareness and Birth Control.

So nothing will happen to the other 7 billion people that exist already: they would live their life as they think fit  -  hopefully with a sharper sense of responsibility and some ray of wisdom  -  and the laws of nature would apply to bring about a natural stability of Earth population.

In other words, nothing, absolutely nothing, which is or is about to be, would be denied to people; people are only asked to use their common sense in the question of population  - the very same way people use their common sense to manage and run their private and public life, their work, studies, business, friendship, family, money, farms...

Life here  -  in all its appearances and almost endless ways of being  -  is holy, in the sense of pricelessly precious. Mister Meier has always clearly and strongly underlined this point.

The 500 million.

We got that number, as the optimal and ideal number of Earthlings, which match the carrying capacity of earth, from the objective and scientific research and knowledge of both mister Meier and the Plejeran.  I can not think of any source, any reference, any analysis, which could be more reliable.

QUOTE:
 
"So for what I see the "third world countries" are the ones responsible for the hunger and plagues of the world? ... really? ... You are all sounding like racists... What do you know about the reality of those people?... Have you ever starved to death?, has your country been intervene by the big powers and depleated your resources? ... What are you guys talking about?" UNQUOTE.

'Third world countries' are not the ONLY ones responsible: WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE.

The birth control we propose is also a worldwide measure; it MUST be equally applied and enforced in all continents, all countries, all nations, all social classes...it is valid for all and everyone: for the richest nations as well as for the poorest nations; for the richest individuals as well as the poorest; for the kings, queens, presidents, ministers judges... as well as for the poorest farmers, street performers, carpenters, village teachers, hunters, sewage workers...

We actually have already made our stance very clear on this issue. We would refer you to the second post of Hawaiian, here above, where, among other things, the following was suggested:

"Would be interesting to see which countries have the most impact on world population as it appears more developed nations tend to level off while poorer ones explode. If true, then maybe mandatory sterilizations should be geared toward those countries along with sterilizations of rapists, killers, pediphiles, drug addicts and other non-disciplined types of the more developed nations. Just wonder if some ET's can help us out by some technology to "zap" ones gonads, starting with the undesirables??? :)"

Our answer  -  in strict accordance with the Spiritual Teachings of Herr Meier -  was as follows:

"I however do not think that they should "help us out by some technology to "zap" ones gonads, starting with the undesirables??? :-)" [:-)]"


I assure you, that i, Adam/Phenix, one of the mean initiators of this petition, am fully aware of 'the reality of those people' and of all the rest: i am one of them. The history and the present of my country of birth, Niger, could be a symbol of the ordeal and faith of the countries and nations you made mention of.

QUOTE:
"Billy!... I can't believe you said all the things you are saying in that petition?... I thought you were a man of peace and truth :((( ... I just can't believe what I read OMG... Did you even take the time to read the prophesies of Jeremia?.... how can you blame this all in people that have been massacred, robbed, manipulated by your countries, whose resources have been depleated from them and your "developed" countries have bankrupted and prevented the technology to be implemented in those countries?" UNQUOTE.

Billy Meier is a man of peace and truth.

First of all, this is a petition formulated and launched voluntarily, out of conviction and in good faith by me, Adam/Phenix, and other fellow comrades, students of the Spiritual Teachings of Billy Meier.
We think, we are rationally convinced that overpopulation is real; it is destroying balance on Earth; it is a present threat to the survival of Mankind and the methods and philosophy of Herr Meier are the best, logical, workable, ethical, righteous and humane ways to tackle overpopulation.

So yes, in writing this petition and calling for a worldwide awareness of overpopulation and for an equally worldwide birth control, we tried to remain as faithful as we can to the Spirit of Billy Meier, the cosmic dimension of which is beyond our reach.

This however is not a petition of Billy Meier  -  one could actually easily tell: we are so far from the all-embracing wisdom, clarity in expression and style, the exhaustive character of any of the works of mister Meier!

If you need someone to blame, direct please your words towards us!

As for "the prophesies of Jeremia?.... how can you blame this all in people that have been massacred,...",

we shall just remind you that everything is connected and that wisdom itself points to overpopulation as the current mother of all evil.

QUOTE:
"We should start with USA where the gratest rate of pedophiles, drug addicts, mass murderers etc, Germany, UK, Switzerland who willingly keeps the money of the usurers and finances the tyrans, Israel who are mass murderers, etc! .... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???"

We are fine; nothing is wrong with us personally; but all is wrong with us as members of the human community and direct co-responsible of the current state of affairs.

You think,
"We should start with USA where the gratest rate of pedophiles, drug addicts, mass murderers etc, Germany, UK, Switzerland who willingly keeps the money of the usurers and finances the tyrans, Israel who are mass murderers, etc!":
 
this is not likely to be our way; but you are also a free individual with endless free will.  Well?

We do not single out individuals, countries, nations or races; we address ourselves, our own self; we address Mankind as a whole, as one consciousness.

Overpopulation is a all-human problem. We shall overcome it together.

QUOTE:

"You know what is sadder??? you all sound like the Elites that want to enslave us... What is this another Nazi nation?... Another China with birdth control?... why don;'t you better create systems that really are equal for everybody and we all have the chance to succeed?... YES MONEY AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REAL EVIL ,,, NOT OVERPOPULATION.
So who is going to control it all??? you Billy? or you James???"
UNQUOTE.

Systems come and go; spiritual awareness and creational laws are forever.

Be aware of your real essence and you won't need a system.
Self responsibility would be the 'control', if you wish.

And finally:

"I just can't believe this omg... Billy, You had all my respect but I never imagined you were just another nazi manipulating the truth like this... OMG may God forgive you!
I will tell everybody who you guys really are... Who told you to do this Billy??? the voice in your head??? omg"
UNQUOTE.

I have the strong feeling that your 'opinion' on Billy was already formed; your 'opinion' was ready long before this petition.

You do not need an excuse, my friend; go your way and go with peace.


Salome,

Phenix/Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 11:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Beste Empfehlung James, alle Kameraden,

Information: Today we reached the French, Italian, Japanese, Cesky and Canadian FIGU Study Groups/Forums  - contact data of the Russian and Spanish Groups are yet to be found.

It was an invitation-call to come along and support our petition; so, James, please proceed with your effort to address all needed FIGU Groups/Forums for the purpose of translations.

Our message was as follows:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, members of FIGU Canada/France/Italia/Japan/Cesca,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

May this period of renewal bring you love, health, inspiration, hope, success, joy and plenty of Neutral-positivity!
May the Year 2009 see the realization of your dearest dreams.

May peace and harmonious progress be on Earth!

Thanks for your work and  faithfullness to truth and facts. Thank you  for your commitment to the spiritual awareness of Mankind.


Ladies and Gentlemen of FIGU Canada/France/Italia/Japan/Cesca,

We need your help.

As we all know, everything needs management, care and sound policy; including ourselves and our number.
Nothing is endless and everything requires rational use; including earth resources.
The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life' s items; pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before.
We, Humans, put too much stress on Earth and are greatly responsible for the current state of affairs, for all is indeed strongly connected:

Shortage of almost all first resources (drinking water, food, oil… other vital items) and the therefrom resulting poverty; inequality; hunger; spiritual stagnation; despair... and subsequently crime; massive immigration; economic migration and ecological refugees; 'hatred towards foreigners'; terrorism; wars... not to mention the destruction of the environment.

Earth needs to recover; natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We are not allowing both. Alas.

Overpopulation is hence likely to become one of the most important and - perhaps - the most decisive questions and challenges in the coming times for the whole humanity, scientists and politicians and other decision makers in the first place.

Ladies/Sirs, members of FIGU Canada/France/Italia/Japan/Cesca,

Please, support our effort to put this important and so difficult issue on the national and international agendas.
Could you help us promote more awareness of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being and to the harmony of this planet and ultimately to our survival as a species?

Could you, please, also add your personal voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our world wide birth control initiative?

It is at:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition

This petition will be sent to the UN, the World Population Awareness Organization, The Earth Charter Initiative, other major international organizations dealing with development and population and to all responsible citizens of our world, who make decisions directly influencing our daily life.

Please, do take the lead also here; advocate and promote a worldwide rational birth control.

Help us shape a responsible future now.
We owe that to our children and to the children of our children.

We owe it to Mother-Earth.


Thank you.
 
 
Salome,

Adam Issa-Sunna; FIGU English and German Forums member.

The Netherlands."

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 18:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC) Greeting James, all Kameraden,

I received today the following update from Earth Policy Institute:

Plan B 3.0 Book Byte
For Immediate Release.

January 21, 2009.

MOVING TO A STABLE WORLD POPULATION

http://www.earthpolicy.org/Books/Seg/PB3ch07_ss3.htm


It looks rather good.


Salome,

Adam.

PS: just in case:

Earth Policy Institute
Media Contact:
Reah Janise Kauffman
Tel: (202) 496-9290 x 12
E-mail: rjk (at) earthpolicy.org

Research Contact:
Janet Larsen
Tel: (202) 496-9290 x 14
E-mail: jlarsen (at) earthpolicy.org

Earth Policy Institute
1350 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 403
Washington, DC 20036

Web: www.earthpolicy.org

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 18:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC) Hiya Adam, that books looks interesting indeed. I wonder how far its recommendations go.

Regarding translations of this petition into other languages, I know you offered to translate the petition into other languages but FIGU could do this if asked. They probably already have a translation available. Have you asked them at all or are there any translations of the petition in progress to your knowledge? If not then I am willing to write or fax each FIGU branch for a translation of the petition. Thanks again for the French version.

Many many thanks

James

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 10:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC) Greetings, Gentleman,

All the pleasure is mine.

Translations: i am not aware of any effort of the sort by FIGU forums and/or study groups  -  except the personal initiative of FIGU Cesca.

I think, you should go ahead with your initiative and address FIGU; translations in all possible languages are needed   -  and besides, getting as many FIGU groups as possible involved here is en soi a very good thing: unity must begin at home!
 
I know that Zhila will translate it into Farsi and that member Corey has announced her intention to provide translations of the petition into Tagalog, Sibuanu, Somalian, Vietnamese, Chinese, Russian,Thai, L and D dialects of Sioux, Spanish and arabic( see Corey, post 122: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/9549.html?1231190803).

I asked them to send their works directly to you ( see same page, Phenix 198).

You can eventually remind Corey and Zhila of their word.

I shall take care of the Swahili, Portuguese and Rumanian translations.

Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 17:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC) Greetings Maestro, allemaal,

I dropped by to inform you that we are also here: http://www.newscientist.com/commenting/browse?id=mg20126921.500

( See: Mankind: Population, Development, Responsibility, Sustainability)

Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 09:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC) Beste Empfehlung James and all,

We were warmly welcomed(and are still welcome) on this podium:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article5627634.ece?Submitted=true

(Courtesy of mister Michael Horn)

Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 11:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings James, miteinander!

We contributed to the debate here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7865332.stm

(Population: The elephant in the room

Uncontrolled population growth threatens to undermine efforts to save the planet, warns John Feeney. In this week's Green Room, he calls on the environmental movement to stop running scared of this controversial topic.)

Thank you mister Horn, indeed.

Salome,

Adam.


[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 10:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 
Update.
NELSON MANDELA FOUNDATION

"RE: Best Wishes and Request

From: 	Thoko Mavuso (Thokom@nelsonmandela.org)
Sent: 	Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:54:19 AM

To: 	aepsilonm@hotmail.com

Dear Mr Adam

Thank you for your correspondence to the Nelson Mandela Foundation.
Mr Mandela announced his exit from public life in June 2004 and no longer involves himself in matters of this nature.  He now wishes to enjoy a well deserved retirement and it will therefore not be possible for him to support your appeal.

We regret that Mr Mandela will not be in a position to support your campaign and hope you will not be discouraged by our inability to assist.


Sincerely

MS THOKO MAVUSO

Nelson Mandela Foundation
( +27 (0) 11 728 1000| Fax: +27 (0) 11 728 1111
|107 Central Street | Houghton, 2041
Private Bag X 70 000, Houghton, 2041, SA

Website:www.nelsonmandela.org"

Our answer:

"RE: Best Wishes and Request - Acknowledgement

From:  Izak-Sunna Adam (aepsilonm@hotmail.com)  
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:24:41 PM
 
To:  thokom@nelsonmandela.org 

Honorable Ms Mavuso,

I profoundly hope that mister Mandela is doing fine.

Thank you for your answer; the formal reaction of the Nelson Mandela Foundation means a lot to me.

We are slowly but resolutely carrying ahead our initiative towards a deeper and wider awareness of the worldwide overpopulation and of the need of an also worldwide birth control, the only ethical, rational, responsible, logical and humane solution, we strongly assume.

Our petition is currently being translated in many languages, including Swahili, a language greatly needed in order to reach as many Africans as possible  -  for, although these measures apply to and could be the salvation of the whole mankind, we are convinced that the application of birth control would give a massive relief and, eventually, some sound lead to African nations!
 
We shall keep you informed.
 
Thanks again for your attention and do please forward our sincere wishes of health and happiness to mister Mandela.
 
Regards,

Adam.
 
PS:
I thought, you may find the following related analyses and developments interesting:
 
- 'Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy', 
by LIZ SIDOTI and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers – Fri Jan 23.
 
"WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information — an inflammatory policy that has bounced in and out of law for the past quarter-century. Obama's executive order, the latest in an aggressive first week reversing contentious Bush policies, was warmly welcomed by liberal groups and denounced by abortion rights foes." [...] 
(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban)
 
- Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi boldly defended a move to add birth control funding to the new economic "stimulus" package, claiming "contraception will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government." 
(http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpbc.htm)

- Baby decisions - adding to the world's woes? 
"How responsible is it to have children in a world whose environmental health is already under stress? That's the question Joanna Benn poses this week in the Green Room. On the other hand, she wonders, will a couple more hungry mouths make much difference?"[...] 
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7759845.stm)

- POPULATION: The elephant in the room
Uncontrolled population growth threatens to undermine efforts to save the planet, warns John Feeney. In this week's Green Room, he calls on the environmental movement to stop running scared of this controversial topic.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7865332.stm )

-  One last chance to save mankind

With his 90th birthday in July, a trip into space scheduled for later in the year and a new book out next month, 2009 promises to be an exciting time for James Lovelock. But the originator of the Gaia theory, which describes Earth as a self-regulating planet, has a stark view of the future of humanity. He tells Gaia Vince we have one last chance to save ourselves - and it has nothing to do with nuclear power.
(http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.500-one-last-chance-to-save-mankind.html?full=true&print=true)"



Salome.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 14:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings in peace and wisdom James, all.

We are at Project Avalon/Camelot  -  courtesy of J_rod7:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=109825&posted=1#post109825

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=109845#post109845


Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 12:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC) 

...and now we have our own thread at Project Avalon Forum:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10949


Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 07:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings in peace James, all Humans.

Could we add the major article of Herr Frehner to 'further readings'?

http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/PopulationGrowthWithoutLimit/tabid/148/Default.aspx


Thanks for your work.


Salome,

Adam.

PS: Today we also went global, reaching out in good faith to potential allies:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=111172#post111172

[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 12:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings James, all!

Maestro, i was thinking that we should find some way of adding the last development  -  as revealed by Herr Meier, through the translation of member JBarreto  -  to the Birth Control Petition.

THE END OF THE PETROLEUM AGE

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?863/8880


Salome,

Adam.


[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 07:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings in peace James and all,

Here is, just in case, a draft of the petition in Arabic  -  courtesy of Mr. William, a friend and comrade.

It needs some thorough check up, proefreading and 'mise en page'.

Any help would be highly appreciated.


Salome,

Adam.




     * معلومات أساسية 1
     * 2 التدابير المطلوبة العالم
           س 2.1 الحد الأدنى لسن الزواج
           س 2.2 الحد الأدنى للسن للنسل
           س 2.3 معايير التوليد
           س 2.4 العدد الأقصى للأطفال
           س 2.5 النسل فاصلة
           2.6 س البقاء في القوة
           س 2.7 العقوبات على انتهاكات
           س 2.8 الوحشية وغير الإنسانية
     * 3 الأرض النمو السكاني الرسم البياني
     * 4 المصدر
     * 5 قراءة أخرى
     * 6 من توقيع العريضة

معلومات أساسية

إلى : الأرض والشعب ،

كوكب الأرض وسكانها يعانون من مختلف الأمراض الناجمة فريدة وحصرية من قبل الإنسان نفسه. هذه العلل الموجودة بالفعل ، ولكن سوف تستمر في الانتشار حتى النهاية تدهور كل شيء تماما.

سكان الأرض هو يعاني من المجاعات ونقص الطاقة ، والأوبئة والتلوث البيئي ، وانحطاط ، والإرهاب ، والدكتاتورية ، والفوضى ، والرق ، والزيادة المفرطة من النفايات ، على الكراهية العنصرية ، ونقص الأغذية ، وتدمير الغابات المطيرة ، "الاحتباس الحراري" ، والتلوث من البحيرات ، والجداول ، والمحيطات ، والكراهية تجاه طالبي اللجوء ؛ الانبعاثات المشعة والكيميائية وتلوث المياه والهواء ، والنباتات ، والغذاء ، والبشر والحيوانات. الجريمة ، والقتل ، والقتل الجماعي ، والقتل الخطأ ؛ وإدمان الكحول ، وكراهية الغرباء ، والقمع ، والكراهية للمرء fellowman التطرف والطائفية ، وإدمان المخدرات ، والاكتظاظ السكاني ، والقضاء على أنواع الحيوانات ، والحرب ، والعنف ، والتعذيب وعقوبة الإعدام ، وسوء الإدارة العامة ، وتلوث المياه ، والقضاء على النباتات ؛ الكراهية ، ونائب والغيرة ، وإنعدام الحب ، وانعدام المنطق ، كاذبة والانسانية ، والافتقار إلى السكن ، وزيادة حركة المرور ، وتدمير الأراضي الصالحة للزراعة ، والبطالة ، وانهيار والرعاية الصحية ، وانهيار الرعاية للمسنين ، وتدمير الطبيعة ، وانهيار التخلص من النفايات الصلبة ، وعدم وجود مكان للعيش ، وغيرها. على الرغم من الكثير من الجهود ، لمشاكل البشرية لا يتناقص ولكن بدلا من ذلك ، لا تزال في ارتفاع مطرد يتناسب مباشرة مع الزيادات السكانية.

البشرية البشعة الشرور تأتي من خلال وجود اكتظاظ مع يلين ، والتصعيد المستمر نحو غير مسؤول. الوضع يملي على أن أي إساءة لا يمكن إلا أن يكون قاتل وعلاج الامساك بها من جذورها ، وألحقت أضرارا بها وتدميره : أعداد البشر يجب أن تكون الأرضية انخفاضا كبيرا. الطريقة الوحيدة التي إنسانية للحد من هذا الهدف لا يمكن تحقيقه ، من خلال لوائح تنظيم النسل الصارمة التي تسمح المتزوجين ، من سن محددة سلفا ، وليس لها سوى عدد محدد بدقة للأطفال. هذه اللائحة يجب أن يسود أي ذريعة ، حجة ، والخوف و / أو تعليق من الغباء الذي numbskulls تلك المطالبة ، لأغراض عسكرية ودينية واجتماعية ، والأنانية ، والكذب ، لأسباب إنسانية ، أو خيرية زائفة ، أن عددا كبيرا من الأبناء من الضروري ، إن تحديد النسل أو يتعارض مع المعتقدات الدينية وغير إنساني ، وما هذه الادعاءات الفارغة فريدة مصنوعة من قبل جامدة المغرورون ، بالطائفيين أو غير صالحة للعيش الناس الذين ليست أضعف فكرة قوانين الطبيعة ، أو توجيهات صادقة المنطق.

مع عدد السكان حاليا نحو 6.5billion الأرضية نسمة (1998) ، والأرض هي أبعد من قدرتها على دعم وتغذية هذه الكتلة بشكل روتيني ، على أساسي وطبيعي وصحي. وهناك ، حيث لا حقوق الجهد واقتحام الطبيعة ، والطبيعة ، ولا اغتصاب واستغلال مواردها لانتاج مزيد من المواد الغذائية على ضرورة أن تحدث ، والتي لا يوجد فيها واحد على ضرورة يعانون من الجوع. والحقيقة هي أن الأرض هي الكوكب الرائعة ، لكنه لا يملك سوى القدرة على دعم والأعلاف في كل ما في وفرة 529 مليون نسمة. الجنس البشري ، من ناحية أخرى ، قد ولدت عملاقة ، والإفراط في عدد السكان ، واصبح لزاما على جميع تحفيز إنتاج الخضر والفواكه لغير نمطية ، البالغ الانجازات من خلال استخدام المواد الكيميائية والهجينة. كما لو أن هذا لم يكن كافيا ، واستغلال هذا الكوكب قد زاد إلى حد كبير ، بما في ذلك التوسع في استرداد المواد الخام من الأرض ، وبلا هوادة من الطلب المتزايد على الأرض بالنسبة لجميع أنواع المواد الأخرى نتيجة مباشرة لتزايد الاكتظاظ السكاني. لا أحد يذكر الشامل من الأراضي الصالحة للزراعة بسبب الاكتظاظ السكاني ودعا هذا الجنون ، ولا أحد يتحدث عن استخدام المواد الكيميائية السامة او للتوسع في المناطق السكنية وغيرها. الغذاء للاستهلاك البشري هو محملة الكيميائية المضافة إلى هذه الأيام ، وتتألف في معظمها من المواد الكيميائية المنتجة اصطناعيا والواقع أيضا أن لا يذكر.

الاكتظاظ السكاني يجلب معه المشاكل العرقية أيضا. وفي الواقع ، فإنه في الواقع يدفع لهم. فإنه يعجل الهجرة والحرب وسفك الدماء والقتل. نتيجة لعدد سكان العالم والنمو المستمر ، إلى جانب الضغط الذي تتعرض له الناس من أي وقت مضى ، والفضاء لكل شخص يصبح أصغر حجما وأكثر تقييدا. لهذا السبب لا يمكن تجنب حالات بموجبه لسكان مختلف البلدان ، والقبائل والأديان والقناعات والآراء والفلسفات والرؤى بشكل متزايد إلى جانب حشد فقط تعديا على كل منهما شخصية الفضاء. وبلا تردد ، هذا النوع من اتصال وثيق يؤدي إلى الاحتكاك ، والاختلافات في الرأي والحجج. هذه القضايا ، في المقابل ، تؤدي تلقائيا للحرب وسفك الدماء والقتل والهجرة. مسألة الهجرة وحده ، بل يؤدي إلى مزيد من الإفراط ، وحشية ، والمشاكل في جميع أنحاء العالم. على سبيل المثال ، واللاجئين ، لا لمجرد الخروج من المألوف لمجرد البحث عن منازل جديدة داخل بلدهم. وبدلا من ذلك ، الفرار الى أراض أجنبية ، وكثيرا ما للبلدان التي ماليا واقتصاديا وأكثر رخاء من أوطانها. حتى تبين أن آلاف ، عشرات الآلاف ، بل مئات الآلاف ، بل الملايين من اللاجئين فجأة الهرب من ديارهم وسرب الى وزراء الخارجية وأكثر ازدهارا. في المقابل ، أصبحت هذه الدول اغراق مع الأجانب ، مما تسبب في مشاكل لا يمكن التغلب عليها تقريبا. البلدان التي تقبل هؤلاء اللاجئين يضطرون إلى إنفاق مليارات الدولارات التي تدفع من قبل "البلد المضيف" عامل السكان من خلال الأموال التي حصلت عليها بشق الأنفس من بشاعة الضرائب.

الأرضية البشرية القائمة مشاكل كبيرة لا يمكن حلها إلا من خلال برنامج تحديد النسل هادفة ، الذي انخفض عدد السكان إلى المستوى الأمثل ، وفقا لحجم كوكب الأرض. جميع التدابير لحل المشاكل الحالية مبتذلة ، فريدة بائسة ، يرثى لها وغير مجدية للمحاولات التي لا تكاد تصل إلى المثل قطرة في دلو. هذا حل المشاكل بدلا من محاولات لا تخدم سوى في زيادة جميع العلل وصعوبات أكثر من ذلك.

ومن السكان الوحشية والمعاملة غير الانسانية وغير متسامح؟ لا! على العكس من ذلك ، لأنه فقط عندما يبدأ شخص ما للتفكير في هذه الحقائق منطقيا إذا كانت لم تفعل ذلك بالفعل وصلنا إلى نفس الاستنتاجات التي صادقين أو يجد الحقيقة التي تزامنت مع الحجة المذكورة آنفا. فقط شخص يفكر بطريقة غير منطقية ، والذي يتمسك زائفة وكاذبة والانسانية والخيرية ، وإنكار الحقيقة. هؤلاء الناس يجبرون على هذا اتلم طائفية مكائد والتعاليم الباطلة ، والتي تسبب لهم حبا مثل الكلاب ويسلبها كل صحية معقولة وطبيعية وصادقة الأفكار والمشاعر والأفعال. على هذا النحو فهي تهيمن صرفة الشفقة ، الشفقة الذاتية ، حماقة والمنطق ، بدلا من مشاعر التعاطف لجميع أشكال الحياة. واحترام الحياة الحقيقية نحو النهاية التي دمرتها المفكرين من غير المنطقي ، الذي يمهد الطريق لزائفة وكاذبة والانسانية والخيرية التي تتحول صديدي من الدمامل قادرة كما تنتشر الأوبئة.

هل من وحشية وغير انسانية عندما تكون القوانين والتوجيهات الصادرة عن طبيعة تتبع؟ رقم غير أنه من وحشية غير انسانية وغير متساهل فيه البشرية لا تزال تتشبث الاكتظاظ السكاني ، بل وحتى يدفع إليه ، بغض النظر عن الظروف والعواقب ، وذلك من أجل أن الملايين والملايين من الأطفال جديدة يمكن مولد. عدم سن تدابير صارمة لمنع الحمل لأسباب طائفية والمعتوه عاطفة ، رجل يعجل كل البؤس والمشاكل التي سوف تصبح أكبر وأكثر صعوبة في مكافحته ، وحيث لم يتم التوصل الى حل في النهاية ، أو الخلاص سيكون ممكنا.

ملاحظة : النص الوارد أعلاه هو مستخرج من المادة الكامل الذي كنت هنا لقراءة أوصت لمزيد من الفهم.


المطلوب اتخاذ تدابير على الصعيد الدولي

وهذا مجرد احتمال واحد من بين كثير!

وهذه التدابير تطبق على الجميع على الأرض باستثناء بعض الصغيرة ، مواطن القبائل بوش ، الذي مارست بنفسها شكل تدابير صارمة لمنع الحمل منذ زمن بعيد.

الحد الأدنى لسن الزواج

     * الإناث : 25 سنة
     * الذكور : 30 سنة

السن الدنيا للنسل

     * الإناث : 28 سنة
     * الذكور : 32 سنة

معايير التوليد

     * الزواج القائم على الأقل من 3 سنوات
     * والدليل على صحي ، زواج متناغم
     * والدليل على سلوك لا غبار الزواج الشركاء
     * والدليل على قدرتها على تربية الأطفال
     * والدليل على صحة أي من الأمراض المعدية والوراثية ، أي إدمان أو العقاقير غير المشروعة أو الكحول ، الخ.
     * لا انتماء الجماعات المتطرفة أو تخريبية

الحد الأقصى لعدد الأطفال

     * 3 من الأطفال لكل زواج

تحديد النسل فاصلة

7 سنوات في جميع أنحاء العالم ، وفرض حظر كامل على ولادة
1 الإنجاب بموافقة السنة (بإذن)
7 سنوات في جميع أنحاء العالم ، وفرض حظر كامل على ولادة
1 الإنجاب بموافقة السنة (بإذن) التي يتعين الاضطلاع بها على هذا النحو إلى أن عدد سكان العالم قد وصلت إلى المستوى العادي ويقلل من 529000000

وفي وقت لاحق : التدابير المتعلقة إذن في الزواج والإنجاب لا تزال سارية ، ولكن في 7 سنوات من ولادة مراجعة حذفها.

تبقى نافذة

     * 3 من الأطفال لكل زواج) أو (3) تعزيز / الأطفال بالتبني)

عقوبات لانتهاكات

    1. غرامة تعادل 10 أجور سنوية لكل المجرمين
    2. تعقيم المجرمين على حد سواء
    3. خصي المجرمين أو التي تنطوي على اعتداء والاغتصاب ، وما إلى الجناة وعزلهم عن المجتمع حسب نوع الجنس من أجل الحياة
    4. الجناة أطفال تؤخذ بعيدا عن الآباء والأمهات ورفع يد الدولة عن طريق تشجيع / الآباء بالتبني

انتبه! يرجى قراءة التفسير من 7 سنوات للتأكد من أن معدل المواليد هو الاكتظاظ السكاني التي نشرت في كتيب # 3!


الوحشية وغير الإنسانية

ما هو أكثر وحشية ولا إنسانية ، ومعادية لأحد fellowman والحياة؟

    1. وقال العالم المكتظة بالسكان من قبل البشر ، وحيث الجوع والبؤس والحرمان وحشية وفاة حكم ؛ حيث الحروب والقتل وسفك الدماء ، والغش ، والتعذيب وعقوبة الإعدام تحدث يوميا ، بالإضافة إلى الاغتصاب ، والجريمة ، والكراهية ، والأوبئة ، والتدمير ، ونائب والإدمان ؛ حيث الكراهية ضد كل أشكال الحياة ، والتطرف ، والكذب والخداع وانحطاط تسود فيها الملايين من الناس يموتون يوميا ، ويعاني من آلام رهيبة ، أو الخضوع للالبائسة وفاة تحت التعذيب على أيدي جلاديهم ومنفذيها ، والناس من الجوع والبؤس؟

           أو

    2. وقال العالم التي يقل عدد سكانها عن متوسط النسب ، حيث كل العلل والمشاكل وأصبح البؤس وطبيعية صغيرة نسبيا. إن العالم الذي لا يحكمه الجوع والبؤس. إن العالم الذي الخوف من الحرب ، وجميع الشر ، خفضت الى حد احتمال عالمي موحد للسلام هو في الواقع ممكنا؟
هذا الشرط من شأنه وضع حد لخوف دائم من المستقبل ، وسيمهد الطريق لحياة المحبة والمنطق والعقل ، بين أمور أخرى.

لماذا لا نفكر في أي نوع من العالم تحب أن تعيش فيه؟ هل حقيقي وصادق والانسانية والمحبة والخير والحقيقة لا يتجاوز جميعا كاذبة والانسانية والخيرية الكاذبة والأكاذيب؟
قبل كل شيء أن تسأل نفسك : "ما هو نوع العالم لا اريد اولادي واحفادي العيش؟"

بيلي


النمو السكاني الأرض الخريطة

ووفقا لدراسة رئيسية أجرتها FIGU ، وبعد نمو سكان الأرض قد حدث ، ويتزايد يوما بعد يوم على النحو التالي :

تطور النمو السكاني على الأرض (في آخر سنة 2004)

الفترة الأولى العام الماضي والنمو / المجموع
1-500 102٬465٬703 +198847080 96٬381٬377
501-1000 198847080 293408074 +94560994
1001-1300 293٬408٬074 374٬079٬611 80٬671٬537
1301-1500 374٬079٬611 406100043 +32020432
1501-1600 406٬100٬043 463618432 57518389
1601-1700 +463618432 536٬718٬004 73099572
1701-1800 536718004 892333410 355615406
1801-1900 892333410 1660990034 768656624
1901-1905 1660990034 1689987973 28997939
1906-1910 1689987973 1810900001 120912028
1911-1915 1810900001 1844760039 33860038
1916-1920 1844760039 1912000432 67240393
1921-1925 1912000432 2008401932 96401500
1926-1930 2008401932 2207034890 198632958
1931-1935 2207034890 2350481002 143446112
1936-1940 2350481002 2400389101 49908099
1941-1945 2400389101 2550108498 149719397
1946-1950 2550108498 2600047000 49938502
1951-1955 2600047000 2784382444 184335444
1956-1960 2784382444 3050382081 265999637
1961-1963 3050382081 3250798000 200415919
1964-1966 3250798000 3500100000 249302000
1967-1969 3500100000 3700641801 200541801
1970-1972 3700641801 3783847320 83205519
1973-1975 3783847320 3889992910 106145590
1976-1978 3889992910 4090799983 200807073
1979-1981 4090799983 4604031892 513231909
1982-1984 4604031892 4800411000 196379108
1985-1987 4800411000 5149979380 349568380
1988-1990 5149979380 5367887093 217907713
1991-1993 5367887093 5876884097 508997004
1994-1996 5876884097 6204008014 327123917
1997-1999 6204008014 6634101302 430093288
2000-2002 6634101302 6905000109 270898807
2003-2005 6905000109 7503846002 598845893


نمو سكان الأرض (في السنة ، في اليوم ، ساعة والثانية)

  فترة المدة (سنة) والنمو (المجموع في السنة لكل يوم في الساعة الواحدة في الثانية
1-500 500 +9638 1377 192٬763 528 22 0.01
501-1000 500 94٬560٬994 189٬122 518 22 0.01
1٬001-1300 300 80٬671٬537 268905 737 31 0.01
1301-1٬500 200 32020432 +160102 439 18 0.01
1501-1٬600 100 +57518389 +575184 1576 66 0.02
1٬601-1٬700 100 73099572 730996 2003 83 0.02
1701-1٬800 100 +355615406 3556154 +9743 406 0.11
1801-1٬900 100 768656624 7٬686٬566 21٬059 877 0.24
1901-1905 5 28٬997٬939 +5799588 15٬889 662 0.18
1٬906-1٬910 5 +120912028 24٬182٬406 +66253 2761 0.77
1911-1915 5 33٬860٬038 6٬772٬008 18553 773 0.21
1916-1920 5 67240393 13٬448٬079 36844 1535 0.43
1921-1٬925 5 96٬401٬500 +19280300 52٬823 2201 0.61
1926-1٬930 5 +198632958 39٬726٬592 108840 4535 1.26
1931-1935 5 143٬446٬112 28٬689٬222 78601 3275 0.91
1٬936-1٬940 5 49908099 9٬981٬620 27٬347 1139 0.32
1941-1945 5 +149719397 +29943879 +82038 3418 0.95
1946-1950 5 49٬938٬502 9987700 27٬364 1140 0.32
1951-1955 5 184335444 36867089 101٬006 4209 1.17
1956-1960 5 265٬999٬637 53٬199٬927 +145753 +6073 1.69
1961-1963 3 +200415919 66٬805٬306 183028 7626 2.12
1964-1966 3 +249302000 83٬100٬667 227673 9486 2.64
1967-1969 3 +200541801 66٬847٬267 183143 7631 2.12
1970-1972 3 +83205519 27735173 75987 3166 0.88
1973-1975 3 +106145590 35٬381٬863 +96937 4039 1.12
1976-1978 3 +200807073 +66935691 183385 7٬641 2.12
1979-1981 3 +513231909 171077303 468٬705 19٬529 5.42
1982-1984 3 +196379108 65٬459٬703 179342 7٬473 2.08
1985-1987 3 +349568380 +116522793 319٬241 13302 3.69
1988-1990 3 +217907713 72٬635٬904 199٬002 8292 2.3
1991-1993 3 508٬997٬004 +169665668 464837 +19368 5.38
1994-1996 3 327٬123٬917 109041306 298٬743 12448 3.46
1997-1999 3 +430093288 143364429 392779 16366 4.55
2000-2002 3 270٬898٬807 +90299602 247٬396 10٬308 2.86
2003-2005 3 +598845893 199615298 +546891 22787 6.33



المصدر :

     * معلومات عن Ptaah من Erra ، Plejares © www.figu.org
     * http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx
     * http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/PopulationStatistics/tabid/103/Default.aspx

قراءة أخرى

     * الاكتظاظ صليبية
     * الترجمة من 7 سنوات للتأكد من معدل المواليد
     * الاكتظاظ قنبلة

توقيع العريضة

من خلال التوقيع على هذه العريضة انك تأييدها وإن كنت سوف تدعم مراقبة وقف الولادة حتى سكان الأرض قد بلغ 529000000.


[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Thank you very very much Zhila, Behzad and Adam for the Farsi version. I have created a new topic from it but the formatting looks a little wrong. Can you please try to fix it? Especially the table headers. Also some of the text is surrounded by a dotted lined box. I think it would look better without it but your opinion supersedes mine here since you have command of the language.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop_%28In_Farsi%29

Thanks!


[[User:Phenix|Phenix]] 17:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Hello James,

I have just sent you an email regarding your message, here above, and the petition in Farsi.

Salome,

Adam.

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Thanks for the Arabic petition, William!!!

== Renamed Petition For Controlled Birth Stop (In Farsi) to Petition For Controlled Birth Stop (In Arabic) ==

Sorry about the mix up! The Farsi version is still inbound I hear.

The Arabic version is at [[Petition For Controlled Birth Stop (In Arabic)]]

== Arabic version ==

[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Its now reachable from a link to it at the top of [[Special:Petition]]