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== Alive said ... ==

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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." 

I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Alive,

"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!

So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.



--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hawaiian,

Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.

Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Two Marks,

Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==

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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome  :)

--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.

There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.

The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.

The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.

FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.

It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).

I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.

It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. 

That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.


--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Debbie 38,

Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.

Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? 


--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hawaiian and Two Marks,

Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. 

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==

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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars  :)  And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time.  :) Have a nice day ....salome.

--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hi Debbie 38,

Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.

I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.

What's your opinion on this?

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all      SALOME

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Zameen,

I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==

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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a  'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature.  :)

--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Debbie 38,

Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.



--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Readers,

I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:

4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? 

19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. 

23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. 


I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.

What do you think?


--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Salome Alive,

Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.

How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.

What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.

So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)

Nicolas

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hi Neckel,

I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).

What do you think on my thinking?


--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Hi my dear Alive,

I think that you are on he right track. :)

Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.

With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)

But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.

I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics

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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)

Practice, practice, practice ;))

Salome

Nicolas


--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Debbie38,

Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.

However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?

So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.

Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.


--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Creation,

Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.

Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. 


--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==

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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.

 As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.

Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.

Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.

FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. 


--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hi Neckel,

For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.

Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. 

A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.

Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.

Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").


--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hawaiian,

You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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You are welcome Alive. :)

Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).

Salome

Nicolas

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Neckel,

I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Hi Alive,

English is also not my first language ;).

I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.

"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)

I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".

Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.

Salome

Nicolas

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Neckel,

I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.

I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. 


--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Hi Alive,

If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing  and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?

Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)

Salome

Nicolas

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Neckel,

Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.


--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!

"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.

I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.

The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.

Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.

It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.

It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.

Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.


--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Hi Hawaiian,

.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........

........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....

Salome

Nicolas



--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 12:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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